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Postby madame_tigre » Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:42 pm

I apologise for butting into your conversation Vicky and Rita, but I'm finding this post intriguing. The information given has been really useful and I would like to take the test, if I ever find someone to assess me which is proving difficult at the moment but I'll go into that another time!

At my old college, I took part in a Kaufman Brief Intelligence Test, which does sound a bit like the Weschler tests, just not a full assessment. I scored 88% (above average) in the vocabulary test and 53% (average) on the matrices test which put me in the 75th Centile (above average) for my age. If I got scores like this in the Weschler test, could I still have learning difficulties, or would my scores need to be a bit higher or a lot lower? This has probably been explained before, but being annoying is part of my job description!

I'm also worried that If I ever get assessed. My brain will decide it doesn't want to take part in the test and bounce out of the room and I will score significantly low scores in all my tests and everyone will think I'm really unintelligent but I was just having a bad day and aaaarrggghhh!!!! Anyway, you get the idea, I'm not crazy- just anxious about tests, but most people are, so i shouldn't worry so much! Sorry, rambling again!
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Postby Thirteen-thirty-seven » Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:00 pm

It's ok, madame_tigre, everybody worries.
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Postby monkey » Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:59 am

dont worry about lengths, i realy enjoy reading long mesages, its a chalenge and i love challenges, and of corse reading. the more information in a message the more i enjoy it, i get very brod if there is little to a piece of writing and then my attention dwindelse making it that much more difficult. i am interested in this thread because i can understand better the report which i have been given and which no one seems to belive it important to explain to me as much as i ask. my Dad has refused to look at it, he's very anti and insists that i go work at a supermarket ruther than further my education. im not sure why, i wonder if its part of that anger that lead to me being kicked out of home last time (after i refused to leave school). it seems that somethings do not change.

i also think it is a shame taht your disablitys were not picked pu earlyer, if they had then your exceptional abilitys would have been to.

your messages do seem to contradict rita. at one stage you said you liked the mystory. i am also confused.

my scorses also show large differenceses, my lowest score was at a 5 percentile rank while my highest was at a 98 percentile rank. all the rest sat all over the place beteen these to numbers. the report concluded on Dyspraxia and Dyslexia as you know but went on to say that i would need a Speech Language Terapy assessment, an Occupational THerapy assessment and to consider a Central Auditory Processing assessment. i dont understnad. i have been diagnosed what are these other assesments? what are they for ? no one is telling me anything. and why is the word need used, if i have done fine so far with out them then i dont need them.
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Postby parnassus » Fri Aug 12, 2005 5:09 pm

the report concluded on Dyspraxia and Dyslexia as you know but went on to say that i would need a Speech Language Terapy assessment, an Occupational THerapy assessment and to consider a Central Auditory Processing assessment. i dont understnad. i have been diagnosed what are these other assesments? what are they for ? no one is telling me anything. and why is the word need used, if i have done fine so far with out them then i dont need them.


I had an occupational therapy assessment after I was diagnosed with dyspraxia. This isn't part of the diagnosis, but a strategy to help you. An OT will make a more detailed study of your dyspraxic difficulties and he or she will then design a special exercise programme for you. OT is extremely useful, and if you get the chance to do it, don't pass it up! My therapist has helped me to improve my co-ordination, balance, short-term memory skills, and ability to multi-task. She gave me a special kitchen assessment as well and then taught me how to cook, dyspraxic-style! She arranged for me to get a lot of kitchen equipment - a kettle tipper, a set of 'safe' knives, and an amazing workstation that allows you to peel vegetables one-handed. It looks like something out of Star Trek, but it is unbelievably useful. I'm not frightened to cook for myself any more because the danger of cutting myself to shreds has been removed. The OT will do more than confirm your diagnosis - she will make life easier.

There are many kinds of dyslexia, including auditory dyslexia. A person with this problem hears things incorrectly - sounds (usually vowel sounds) get distorted and scrambled by the brain. It could be that your educational psychologist would like you to be tested for this. A Central Auditory Processing test would tell her a bit more about how you 'hear' the world. This could be having a negative impact on how you communicate with others.

Speech and language therapy is very useful for some people with dyspraxia, dyslexia, and/or Auditory Processing Disorder. I did work experience with a speech and language therapist, and I am tempted to become one myself after seeing how effective this kind of therapy is. An SLT translates the world until it makes sense! In short, he or she would help you to build up communication skills. If you do have difficulty processing auditory information, in addition to the typical dyspraxic social difficulties, SLT would help you a lot.

You may feel that you have been coping fine. This is because you have never been anything but dyspraxic and dyslexic - you are used to yourself, and you probably don't even notice your most fundamental problems any more. It is only when the problems are stripped away that you realise you had them. I discovered this myself after I began occupational therapy.

These therapies aren't cures. No one is going to try and 'make you better'. They will just equip you with living and learning skills to complement the way your mind works. Try it. You've got nothing to lose, and quite a lot to gain.
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Postby monkey » Sat Aug 13, 2005 3:43 am

that explains alot. it sounds goodm even fun to see an ocupational theripist.

as far as sounds, i cant tell the difference between some words, becuase they all sound teh same to me. if theres lots of noice it usaly morphs into one big blob of noise making it nearly impossible or impossible to distingwish partiular sounds, like the difference between some one talking an the radio. i also used to talk to fast for any one to understand, i have generly learnt not to do this but somtiems i do spead up and i cant tell untill the people around me tell me they cant understnad. when i was in primary school and intermeadiate my dad though i might be a bit deaf becuase i used to shelt oftne when i talked, i wasnt deaf but i couldnt tell that i was yelling. i dont know if these are all realated, but its all effected how i talk, which was one of the things that the educational phsicolgest mentioned several times in her report. that and my words have a tendencey to come out unformed and slured, or mixed up in there order. i run all my sentinces together when i speeck, so its hard to know when one thing starts and another ends. as i say im much better now than when i used to be, and im concerned that a speech theripist might look at my speeach now and not realise how hard it was for me to get where i am now and how good my speech realy is in comparison to what it was.

im sorry if this wasnt well ordered, im a little streessed. i have a fridn over and we went to the shoping centre(mall it hink) and i got very stressed, we ended up siting out side for nearly 2 hours untill we can be picked up (we couldnt use the bus becuase my friend has spina bifita) im just glad that she didnt mind, shes a lovely girl and we get on very well.

you are probebly very correct, it would be good to improve balance, co-ordination adn short term memori and i think that its very posible im so used to the difficultys i have in these areas that i dont know how much better they can be becuase im so used to it.

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Postby Thirteen-thirty-seven » Sat Aug 13, 2005 8:33 pm

parnassus wrote:. She gave me a special kitchen assessment as well and then taught me how to cook, dyspraxic-style! She arranged for me to get a lot of kitchen equipment - a kettle tipper, a set of 'safe' knives, and an amazing workstation that allows you to peel vegetables one-handed. It looks like something out of Star Trek, but it is unbelievably useful.


Where can you get this stuff?
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Postby parnassus » Sat Aug 13, 2005 9:02 pm

Most occupational therapists get it from a specialist supplier, usually affiliated with a hospital. If you aren't currently seeing a therapist, you should ring up the OT department at your local hospital and enquire about the household gadgets that they issue to stroke victims and people with cerebral palsy. They usually know of shops that sell this type of thing. I have also found that the Royal National Institute for the Blind stocks some really useful items as well.
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Postby C » Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:22 pm

monkey wrote:as far as sounds, i cant tell the difference between some words, becuase they all sound teh same to me. if theres lots of noice it usaly morphs into one big blob of noise making it nearly impossible or impossible to distingwish partiular sounds, like the difference between some one talking an the radio. i also used to talk to fast for any one to understand, i have generly learnt not to do this but somtiems i do spead up and i cant tell untill the people around me tell me they cant understnad. when i was in primary school and intermeadiate my dad though i might be a bit deaf becuase i used to shelt oftne when i talked, i wasnt deaf but i couldnt tell that i was yelling. [/code]


I have those problems, too. If I'm in a noisy and/or crowded place and people are talking all the sounds 'blob' together, just like when there are lots of people around they all 'blob' together and I can't separate them. I used to talk very fast when I got excited; I was scared I'd forget what I was going to say or that someone would interupt me. People still think I might have trouble hearing now, but I've had my hearing checked and it's perfect.

If you think about it though, talking and listening are immensly complicated skills. When someone talks so much depends on their tone of voice and facial expression and the way they say things makes such a difference. For example someone (probably a male chauvinist) may say:

A woman, without her man, is nothing.


However, someone else, (probably a female feminist) could say:

A woman: without her, man is nothing


Completely the same words, yet the meanings are the opposite of each other. It is easy to see this when they are written down, the puncuation gives it away. When listening to people, tone of voice and body language are the commas and full stops.

When listening to a conversation, you also have to be able to underdtand different people's dialects, accents and speed of voice, not to mention what they are actually saying!!! You then have to wait for a convienient pause; this is the bit I find hard if I'm in a big group. I wait for a pause in the conversation but then someone else speaks and I have to listen to them and we get off the subject I wanted to talk about. Or I interupt and look rude.

When you are speaking you have to control your tone of voice, voice pitch, speed, the sounds you are making and it generally helps to make eye-contact with the speaker.

It always amazes me how easily, in general, people communicate both verbally and non-verbally.

Edited to Add: Erm... sorry if this was a bit off topic :oops: I tend to ramble on about things!
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