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Postby pinkparrot » Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:31 pm

I got a poppy too. It's in a bag somewhere...
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Postby parnassus » Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:53 pm

Miranda very kindly sent me a white poppy, so I was wearing one. Last year there was a big fuss in the papers about the very thing which you describe, Esther. The families of the conscientious objectors are appealing to the government to have their convictions posthumously rescinded.

This topic has provoked a feisty debate in the 'comments' section on my Xanga site. I seem to have offended some friends by insinuating that their poppylessness makes them neglectful citizens. I don't particularly care. Some things should not be kept quiet.
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Postby eDan » Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:06 pm

I have a poppy but didn't wear it today because:

a) my brain finds it very difficult to work out how arrange the pin and poppy in such a way that it will stay attached to the garment intended
b) I was wearing my waterproof coat today, and didn't want to compromise its waterproofness by making a hole in it with the pin

However the thought it there, and I hope I haven't been tarred as a non-caring sort.
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Postby parnassus » Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:30 pm

Have you tried slipping the stalk of the poppy through the hole in your coat zip? This is what I do. I deliberately wear my zip-up hoodies during the run-up to Remembrance Sunday so I don't have to mess around with a pin.
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Postby Hermionefan5 » Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:43 pm

Reccommend Jarhead as a very good movie on the life of a soldier in a warcamp!!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418763/plotsummary
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Postby Hermionefan5 » Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:45 pm

Plot summary for Jarhead, a movie reccomeneded for all to see:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418763/plotsummary
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Postby parnassus » Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:36 am

P.S. Dan, just in case my invective against people who don't bother with poppies upset you, I wasn't referring to people who have a disability that means they have real difficulty pinning the poppy in place. I was referring to university students who can remember to obtain fancy-dress costumes for a party, queue up for Christmas Ball tickets, order a birthday cake for their corridor-mate, hand in their essay on time...and yet claim that they are just too busy to remember to buy a poppy.
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Postby eDan » Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:59 am

For The Fallen
With proud thanksgiving, a mother for her children,
England mourns for her dead across the sea.
Flesh of her flesh they were, spirit of her spirit,
Fallen in the cause of the free.

Solemn the drums thrill; Death august and royal
Sings sorrow up into immortal spheres,
There is music in the midst of desolation
And a glory that shines upon our tears.

They went with songs to the battle, they were young,
Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted;
They fell with their faces to the foe.

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years contemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

They mingle not with their laughing comrades again;
They sit no more at familiar tables of home;
They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;
They sleep beyond England's foam.

But where our desires are and our hopes profound,
Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight,
To the innermost heart of their own land they are known
As the stars are known to the Night;

As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust,
Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain;
As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness,
To the end, to the end, they remain.
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Postby parnassus » Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:09 am

I vow to thee, my country, all earthly things above,
Entire and whole and perfect, the service of my love:
The love that asks no question, the love that stands the test,
That lays upon the altar the dearest and the best;
The love that never falters, the love that pays the price,
The love that makes undaunted the final sacrifice.

And there's another country, I've heard of long ago,
Most dear to them that love her, most great to them that know;
We may not count her armies, we may not see her King;
Her fortress is a faithful heart, her pride is suffering;
And soul by soul and silently her shining bounds increase,
And her ways are ways of gentleness and all her paths are peace.

I love that hymn. Strange that it is no longer considered all right to sing.
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Postby pinkparrot » Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:05 pm

We used to do singing at primary school but songs could also refer to things like lost scissors. Now I think about it there were also quite a few about the world, and trees and things like that. I guess they were hymns. They were good.
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Postby parnassus » Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:25 pm

I've just come back from a memorial service. It was so upsetting, but comforting too. We sang the hymn O God, Our Help in Ages Past, Our Hope for Years to Come. I wish I had taken the trouble to ask my grandma more about her experiences of the Second World War before she died. She wasn't doing front-line battle or anything, being a woman, but she used to paint lightbulbs blue in a factory so each home could have light without breaking the blackout regulations and so endangering the inhabitants. When I stayed over at her house and carried on reading until the small hours, she used to creep up outside my door, assume a deep voice, and boom, "Put that liiiigght out!" When I asked her why she did that, she said that was what the air raid wardens used to do during the Blitz. There is so much I could have asked her. But I never did.

Those of you who still have grandparents - ask questions, ask questions! Don't lose any of their knowledge. Hold onto your own past.
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Postby pinkparrot » Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:53 pm

I don't like my grandma. I do my best to try to build a relationship with her but she pushes it too much and never ever learns to take it slower.
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Postby eDan » Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:22 pm

I always wished I'd got to some of my Grandparents better than I did. My grandfathers died when I was quite young, and too young to appreciate what they had to offer. My mother's father was a big traveller and I think we'd have got on famously now. It's one of those many what if situations of life, however I try not to dwell on them too much as there's nothing that can be done to turn the clock back.
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Postby pinkparrot » Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:24 pm

I see what you mean. Where's the Tardis when you need it?
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Postby Hermionefan5 » Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:11 am

The Star Spangled Banner by Francis Scott Key

Oh say can you see?
By the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed
At the twightlight's last gleaming
Whose bright stripes and bright stars
Through the perilous fight
O'er the ramparts we watched
Were so gallantly streaming
And the rockets' red blare
The bombs bursting in air
Gave proof through the night
That our flag was still there
O say does that star spangled banner yet wave...
O'er the Land of the Free and the Home of the brave?
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