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Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:13 pm

happy_go_lucky, i am, as we speak, adding you to my menatl death list........... :P

Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:35 pm

Everyone's entitled to their own opinions...

*tuts and shakes head at happy_go_lucky* :wink:

Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:27 pm

* The literature student pops up *

happy_go_lucky, on what do you base your assessment of J.K. Rowling's skill and enthusiasm? Let's have some supporting evidence from the texts! :D

Oh, how Vicky loves literary debate...

Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:29 pm

Needless to state who that was.

Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:06 pm

I can already picture this in my mind. I see a courtroom, with happy_go_lucky as the defendant, Vicky being the judge, and the rest of us jury.

Charges: Libel on Harry Potter books by J.K. Rowling – “poorly written”, characters accused of being “wooden” and writing showing “lack of enthusiasm.”

Evidence? May the defendant please put forward their case…

Fri Jan 27, 2006 5:48 pm

happy_go_lucky wrote:Nope it isnt great however with the source material im sure they did their best harry potter for a start is very poorley written the characters are wooden and it shows a lack of enthisiasm by the writer in fact i would say they are some of the worst books i have ever read

I will have to agree to disagree about that. I love Harry Potter. If it weren't for Harry Potter, I may not have wanted to become an author! I definitely wouldn't have liked to read. I used to read a little with my parents before Harry, but I didn't really like to read on my own. I was really not a very fast reader so it wasn't fun. :( J.K. Rowling is the author that got me excited about books and she is one of the few famous ppl in the world that I actually deem worthy of meeting. I want to meet her someday if I can and tell her how much she has inspired me! :) :D If it weren't for Harry, I would not be the same person I am today. Harry has helped me find out a part of me that I never knew about. I never knew I liked fantasy books until I read Harry Potter and I never knew I wanted to write a story until I read Harry Potter. I learned J.K. Rowling's story of how Harry came to her and how after she had struggled in her life she started to write about him and it inspired me to write about all the characters I have dreamed up in my head. J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter books made me realize my own dreams. :D 8) I think they are very well written (with lots of layers of characterization) and I hope to see more from Rowling in the future (besides Harry Potter) that is good stuff. :D

Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:00 pm

ok you all want my reasons well the characters are all sterotypes the goodies are ultra good the baddies are ultra bad they have no shades of grey. She can't keep tension going the thing has exactley the same pace all the way through it never changes and its derivative so those are the reasons for my statement however it has helped child litracy so it isnt all bad id just prefer if kiddies could get as excited about something that was well writain never mind

Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:23 pm

The baddies aren't all "ultra bad!" Look at Draco Malfoy. If he were a stereotypical evil baddie, he would have murdered Dumbledore without hesitation. And look at Harry Potter. Sneaking into a toilet and taking Polyjuice potion is not my idea of a stereotypical goodie.

There's good and bad in everyone and everything in Harry Potter. You can't trust anyone - therefore tension runs throughout. Shades of grey are everywhere - as characters grow and develop they don't turn around and decide whether they're going to stick with the Order of the Phoenix or run off to Voldemort. Ideas gradually appear before characters and I'm not sure even they know what side they're on. They go with their own views, some black, some white - creating the different shades of grey.

Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:44 pm

i feel my point was just proven if the worst thing hes done is break a school rule their is no conflict in him he didnt think well maybe joining voldemort and ruling the world would be fun and he doesnt go on benders killing of the people like malfoy because hes the goodie id be in their in a shot first time in that hall id of stuck a fork in his throat

Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:47 pm

I never said that was the worst thing Harry ever did!

Someone who's read the books recently/has a better memory of the written word than mine - help me out here!!! :wink:

Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:31 pm

Malfoy doesn't charge about killing people either. As pinkparrot says, he couldn't bring himself to murder Dumbledore.

he didnt think well maybe joining voldemort and ruling the world would be fun

He did - for one tense moment in The Philosopher's Stone. Voldemort offered Harry a share in power. Harry was tempted...and Harry refused. He is basically a good person, but he has his faults - he can be irritable, lazy, and downright rude. It would be hard for anyone to empathise with a hero who displayed too much internal conflict, unless you want to read about someone with Multiple Personality Disorder.

id be in their in a shot first time in that hall id of stuck a fork in his throat

Remember J.K. Rowling's audience. Do you really think that the average nine-year-old needs to read about that kind of thing? Children love to imitiate their heroes, even fictional ones. Especially fictional ones. A popular fictional hero with a foul temper would do nothing to resolve the country's juvenile crime rate.

Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:42 pm

jevunile crime rate what?? and anyway kids love that stuff look at roal darl the one about the ducks and the people transform or philip pullmans work the characters are dark they have conflicts

Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:00 am

What you bear in mind with the Roald Dahl ducks is that people can't really turn other people into ducks (I don't think so anyway :lol: ) as far as imitations go, I don't think someone could turn someone else into a duck however powerful the imitation!

A book wouldn't be a book without some conflict in it. I have seen few stories without conflict (though some childrens' and baby books manage it, but there's always something bad happening by misunderstanding or whatever.)

The idea stems from how childrens' minds work e.g "X is cool." If X had a terrible temper and stuck a fork in someone's throat, it would turn into: "I want to be cool like X. I'm going to go and stick a fork in someone's throat."

Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:54 pm

happy_go_lucky wrote:he doesnt go on benders killing of the people like malfoy because hes the goodie id be in their in a shot first time in that hall id of stuck a fork in his throat

I don't belive you would really do that. Unless you've killed anyone reacently. but I doubt than you have. How often do you see people stabbing forks in other people's throats???

And Harry will have to kill Voldemort evntually (according to the prophecy).

But you proberly don't know about the prophecy.

Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:02 pm

for a book that lacks gray charachters Snape does an amazing job. i defently consider him to be one of the main characters as his dissisions have proved to be very crutial to recent out comes, and asuming that dumbledore is an important character then those recent events are also important. (incase people are reading this who still havnt read Half Blood Prince i didnt mention the acutle events ) there is not a charcter in the book that doesnt have there fults, Ron strugles with jelosy as an example. harry has had many conflicts, in the second book he found him self speaking in snake (have no idea how to say the actul word so wont try spelling it) this as you know is considered a dark art by most of the wizard world. he even begane to question himself. and more recently his rash actions lead to some peole very close to him getting hurt. as far as Draco Malfoy is concerned he almost turns to the 'good' side when dumbledore offers him. he may have but at that moment they recived company. i cant remember ever seeing a time where Draco strugled so much bettween 'good and bad'. also you seem to have forgoten the ministry with there own gray. umbridge and the minister himself are examples of people on the good side doiong bad deeds.

but let me add that i dont think theres anything wrong with Harry being good. there are good people in the world who would do there best to do what is right, and there not as uncomen as you seem to think, there for it is not so highly unprobeble that Harry is a good person, and that he has found to true friends. true freinds also exsist, i have one and i do belive htat the people on this site are all good people and there certainly all good friends. some things are more defined than gray. also im very glad that Harry is good, he dosnt seem to be the most powerful wizard or the brightest or anything else like that, what makes him a hero is not these things but his goodness and bravory. to empasise his goodness his bravory though on its own a good cahrataristic would not of lead to him doing the things that he has done, becase alot of them have called for a disregard for himself. selflessness is a sign of goodness, you simply add bravory to it and you get our Hero.
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