S*x offenders in Schools

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S*x offenders in Schools

Postby madame_tigre » Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:12 am

As most of you will probably already know there has been an outrage lately as education secretary Ruth Kelly has let s*x offenders on the 99 list work in Schools.

Now Ruth Kelly has apologised and has told MP's that anyone who has been convicted or cautioned for a s*x offence will be banned from teaching. She has also announced that an independant panel would take over the role of deciding who is suitable to work with children.

What does everyone think about Kelly's plans and how can the dispute be resolved?
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Postby Danni » Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:29 pm

I thought that the people working in schools weren't on List 99? Could you provide a link for me?

I think convicted sex offenders, and those even with a caution, shouldn't work in schools. However, just because you're accused of something doesn't make you one. Only those who are guilty of these offences should be prevented from working in schools.

As always, it's a very complicated case.
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Postby kitty_cute » Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:46 pm

They should all the locked up - we had a peadophile cleaner last year for about two months and he stalked all the girls, and one of my friends, he got sacked. Thank God.
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Postby parnassus » Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:57 pm

I firmly believe that all people who are convicted of a sex offence should not be permitted to work in an educational setting. It is impossible to overcome your sexual preferences, so if you are attracted to children, you should keep away from them - or be kept away from them, if you can't exercise that much control over yourself.

However, I am very wary of the tentative plans to place a teaching embargo on all people accused of sex offences. Just because someone is accused of a particular crime doesn't mean they've actually committed it. Sometimes particularly malicious children make up allegations about their teachers - it happened in one of my schools - and it would be awful if a good teacher's career was ruined because of something like that.
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Postby Black_Haired_Angel » Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:48 pm

it nto only ruin carrers also families as well coz they are nto sure who to beleive¬!!!
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Postby Thirteen-thirty-seven » Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:17 pm

Here is a hypothetical situation.

A fifteen-year-old boy has consensual s*x with a fifteen-year-old girl. Since she is under the age of consent, the boy is guilty of rape in the eyes of the law (although the girl is not considered a criminal, even if she deliberately seduced the boy). The girl's parents find out and inform the police. The police are legally obliged to caution the boy for a s*x offence.

Under the new preposals, this boy would be banned for life from working with children.

I think underage s*x is a terrible idea, but I don't think that that law is appropriate.
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Postby Danni » Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:08 pm

That would be wrong. I know of a case where a man has been falsely accused of sexual assualt, but won't go into the deals here as I don't want to get into trouble.
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Postby fuzzy » Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:36 pm

Its ludicrous that a sex offender was allowed to work as a teacher (esp a PE techers- kids running around in shorts) in a school. The solution is- sack this woman for starters that will to some extent redeem the governemants credabilty) and not allow sex offenders anywhere near schools- simple enough!
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Postby madame_tigre » Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:35 pm

In a moral view, this issue isn't too dis-similar to abortion or euthanasia. The first time you hear about it you may think it's blatently wrong but if you have a closer and more detailed look, you will discover that the answers are not all in black and white.

I for one wouldn't allow someone who had been caught downloading illegal child pornography to become a PE teacher. I agree with Fuzzy on that one, another thing about PE teachers is that sometimes they might need to touch someone to help assist them and if they have been covicted of a s*x crime then that sounds very worrying.

There is another interesting story. I'm afraid I can't remember the teachers name but he was convicted of indecent assault with a 15 year old girl in 1980. The girl was under aged so he would have got into trouble even if he wasn't a teacher. They got married some time afterwards so the girl can't have felt like she had been assaulted. I think that the teacher schould have been more professional but if he was very enthusiastic about the girl perhaps he should have waited until she left school and then he might not be in this mess.

I can understand why a pupil might fancy a teacher but not the the other way round!

And of course just because youre convicted it doesn't alwaysmean you have committed the crime.
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Postby Hermionefan5 » Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:05 pm

parnassus wrote:I firmly believe that all people who are convicted of a gender offence should not be permitted to work in an educational setting. It is impossible to overcome your sexual preferences, so if you are attracted to children, you should keep away from them - or be kept away from them, if you can't exercise that much control over yourself.

However, I am very wary of the tentative plans to place a teaching embargo on all people accused of gender offences. Just because someone is accused of a particular crime doesn't mean they've actually committed it. Sometimes particularly malicious children make up allegations about their teachers - it happened in one of my schools - and it would be awful if a good teacher's career was ruined because of something like that.


I don't think it is right to let teachers go on teaching at schools if they are attracted to children. But, I agree with you on the point that sometimes teachers are convicted and they didn't do it. That happened to a teacher a long time ago. A kid in her preschool class said that he thought he been touched inappropriately by her to his parent. Then the parent told other kids' parents and the other kids told eachother. The whole thing turned into a case where the police were involved and the teacher was tried in court. The police kept asking the kids questions at the daycare before the trial. They asked leading questions that the kids could only answer one answer to. Then the teacher was convicted as guilty in court. The teacher never did anything and she was only released
a few years ago. The kids were teens by then and they felt guilty for accidentally convicting a woman who was innocent to years of jail time. I think it is wrong to do that to a teacher when she is innocent. It is even more wrong to ask leading questions of the children so that they will convict her/him. :(
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Postby pinkparrot » Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:07 pm

That's just terrible. :(
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Postby Hermionefan5 » Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:03 am

A counselor at my sister's junior high got fired for putting porn on the internet. Some of the students also complained of se*ual harrassment. These are junior high kids, so they are a bit more reliable than preschoolers. I think that they know more about what se*ual harrassment is. It's just sad because it was the school social counselor that was doing it. Those kids needed him to help them, not to do weird stuff to them. :cry: Luckily, my sister never had to visit him.
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