If someone is talented or clever

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Do they

Yes
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In most circumstances
3
16%
In a few circumstances
4
21%
No
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32%
I'm really not sure
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If someone is talented or clever

Postby Alice » Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:43 pm

Do they have the responsibility to live up to there potential, and try hard at it?

I'm in two minds on this one. On the one hand, when I see someone like my brother, who can easily do things that would take me years to learn, and I see how they won't even push themselves even a little so there tallents are wasted (with him it's maths). It really makes me angry.

However, if someone actually doesn't enjoy the things they happen to be good at (rather than just not bothering), surely it's better for them to do what they wan't to, and at the same time leave space for those who have less tallent but more ditermination.

What do you think?
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Postby intowiz » Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:54 pm

i dont think they have the responsibility. why should they have to do anything if tehy dont want to. just cause you hung like a moose Doesnt mean ya gotta do porn.
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Postby Thirteen-thirty-seven » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:40 pm

I think everyone has a responsbility to live up to their potential. But exhausting yourself by doing something you don't enjoy isn't "living up to your potential". Potential means all sorts of things, including potential to be happy.
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Postby Syrons » Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:10 am

I believe while people think its good when one are academically intelligent. It doesn’t necessarily mean you are going to be going further in life, if you don’t use your brain to its talents you won’t be at the highest level of your suspected talents. The people in this world who are known as greats most have had to work hard to get where they are. They had believe in their goals and not be influence by others who may distract them from their goals. We all have different goals. The best is predicting goals which you know you can aim for. Not stepping ahead of yourself like when I was at school, I hearing people say well I am going to University and I was saying I am going to be chef, as I liked Cooking in some sense. I just thought it was cooking basic things how wrong was I!

You cannot predict life but you can set easy goals which are possible like for example predicting things for this year I believe. If you step ahead of yourself that’s where I think it’s goes all wrong. You have your mind on other things but not focusing on the things which are going to get you there. Not working towards it means there is that chance that you eventually will be caught out. Like many young footballers have been for example. Think it is fine going out drinking every night eventually as they are a Sportsman there bodies won’t be ready for the job and their talents what they did have won’t be shown because they are either hang over or simply unfit.

We all different we all been set out with different problems and obstacles, we all will not face the same problems. A lot of people won’t be expressing my troubles and I won’t be dealing with their troubles drugs alcohol and girls, it’s simple as that. The gifted that use their brain and work hard will fly very high and be at their limitations and give off there best I believe, I reckon that is the best feeling in the world when you know you have reached a peak in your mind. It may not be amazing to anybody else but it’s a target you have set yourself. One of the great feelings I do have and that is being honest with me. If you have that approach when you had a not so great day, you come back hungry you are burning to prove too yourself not too no one else but too yourself that you can do it, I try block out every weakness and keep concentrated I get in a zone where if I do feel like I am slipping in my brain, I try to find from somewhere in my body my determination, my passion and my desire to prove to myself that I can do it. I can find an extra insensitive that keeps me going and that blocks out the weaknesses, even if my eyes do look like starring into mars and my brain just wants to go sleep. That when it shows I am not lien about the way I am and I am really trying not to give in and let everything beat me down. When them sort of days do happen they are really inspirational for myself. When I pass things now I am not shocked and that’s a healthy feeling I believe. I hate it when people don’t believe in my approach because this approach was very new. This year the only belief I had that I could pass the tests like I thought I could was by learning support. My tutor kept saying how you could be sure you pass it. I just simply know as I am very hard on myself. I could easily say where I went wrong or what I didn’t know but I was adding in my head the marks and I was like this will safely make me pass and so I the rest I just had to keep concentrated.

Anyway what did happen was I got all the results like week and I did pass them and got 2distintions but I didn’t get to pass the course because of a certain incident but it good to finally believe in myself, if I didn’t pass it I would of been like how did I get it wrong. So I had a smug grin as I saw the results and some swear words for my tutor!

At the moment I still feel like I am underachieving I don’t think level 2 is my level and my tutor from a previous course thinks I can do it. So I am going to aim for level 3 next year I have applied. For me reaching the peak at this stage of life would be by passing level 3 that is my own personal target. :)
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Postby k9ruby » Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:12 pm

Well, I don't know!

With my brother, he acheived mostly Level 7s in his KS3 assements and is catorgrised G&T in music. He is a very able student. However, he is taking 8 GCSEs, and if he carries on the way hes working now, he is only likely to pass a couple of them. He can play music by ear, but cannot read music. He has taught himself 8 instruments and a extremely good singer. I think he is extremely clever, and most other people would say the same. However, he does not make any effort to get good grades- he is working at mostly D/Es..and we are starting to get, well, a little worried! My argument is, if people are clever, surely they would know how important making the effort is?

However, I got mostly 5s, and a 4 and a 3- but my family would say I was the most academic of the family. However, apart from IT I really had to work so hard to get the grades I have now (1A, 9Bs and a C)- even the basics of english and maths, and in GCSE study leave was doing nearly 10hrs a day of revision- I wanted to get into one of the best sixthforms in my county, and do 4 A-levels. I do have a LOT of determination. I am also apparently 1 of the most able people in IT in my year.

My brother however, needs a hell of alot of pushing, to get anywhere.... :roll:

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Postby Dan » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:58 pm

I think talent IS dedication, 90% hard work 10% talent as they say. If you don't work hard at it you don't have talent, in my opinion. People say "You're talented" because I play the piano, but I'm not special in any way, I just spend my time playing it because I am dedicated, does that make me talented? Apparently so, but I'm not gifted, that's the disparity here.
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Postby Spoon » Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:13 pm

If you're really good at something then if you work hard you'll be amazing but will you be happy? If someone with an IQ of 170 wants to become an actor then they should! If they have the determination then they can succeed in that too. Being gifted won't get you anywhere unless you want be working in that field. If you're apathetic you won't progress.
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Postby parnassus » Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:24 pm

Spoon wrote:If you're really good at something then if you work hard you'll be amazing but will you be happy? If someone with an IQ of 170 wants to become an actor then they should! If they have the determination then they can succeed in that too. Being gifted won't get you anywhere unless you want be working in that field. If you're apathetic you won't progress.


I agree. There was a girl at my school who was phenomenally gifted (she passed her Year 6 SAT exams with top scores in everything when she was five) who is now at Cambridge studying Law. Her family thought that this was a bad idea and urged her to study medicine instead. They had visions of her developing cures for all sorts of illness. "It's a waste of your brain, doing Law when you could help so many people."

But she has never felt any desire to become a doctor. She is a genius in the proper sense of the word, but even her brains wouldn't be much good to her if she had to work in a field that didn't inspire her.
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Postby C » Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:32 am

I agree with you as well. I think some people maybe aren't so 'bright' (at least not in the conventional sense) but find something they enjoy, work hard at it and actually can become quite academic (like me, for example).

Other people are naturally very bright but academic things just don't interest them. One of my cousins, for example, is 19 and really clever. His parents are both teachers and wanted him to go to Uni after school but he just wasn't interested. A lot of people are trying to pressure him to go now but he just doesn't want to and I think people should accept that.

The original question was do they have the responsibility to live up to their potential and try hard at it. I would agree with Esther that 'everbody has the responsiblity to live up to their potential.' That is true however 'clever' you are. However, there are different ways in which you can 'try hard.' My clever yet non academic cousin has never tried particularly hard at school (despite gaining good grades) other than with subjects such as sport or D and T, that are more practically based, but has always tried very hard with part time work, such as bar work and working in shops, again things that are more practical.
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