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Tuition Fees

Postby Remus » Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:04 am

As you have probably seen in the press recently, with the current economic climate and everything, the government has given the Universities the go ahead to rise tuition fees up even more in 2012 with the possibility of them charging up to £9000 a year. I was just wondering what you guys thinking about it, students or not?

Personally I think it is outrageous they want us to pay even more. There goes my top-up to degree out the window! :lol: My mind boggles at the fees now let alone the ones they want to implement. I just don't get how poorer students are going to afford to go to Uni. Me and my fellow classmates were discussing it and we agreed, the only people who are going to be able to afford it and get the really high jobs are going to be rich people. Charlie is considering go over to Norway to do further studying where the fees would be a lot cheaper

I totally agreed with the protests the other day about it, I don't mind people expressing their views in a peaceful, creative manner. However, I think those riots the other day were just out of order. The behaviour from those individuals was just disgusting and it is doesn't little for the cause and paints us students in a poor light. I was especially shocked at the idiot who threw the fire extinguisher off the roof, he could have easily killed someone.
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Re: Tuition Fees

Postby JamesStanley » Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:13 am

I agree Remus i dont think i will be able to afford university now
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Re: Tuition Fees

Postby 07williamsdj » Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:09 pm

They shouldn't be aloud to raise it that much, Its INSANE
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Postby Steph » Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:39 pm

I think the fee rise is awful. It just cuts such a huge section of society out from the possibility of higher education and that is in no way fair.
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Re: Tuition Fees

Postby galexy96 » Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:59 pm

Yes I agree, I would love to go to Uni but I don't know if I can now. Its unfair that only richer people can go and not anyone. It should be about intelligence, not the amount of money you have. Its also a shame that I will miss out on getting EMA.
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Re: Tuition Fees

Postby chocolatefudgecake » Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:51 pm

I think they should scrap fees instead of raising them. I considered going to that protest (my uni took a couple of coaches up) but didn't coz I had an assignment to do.
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Re: Tuition Fees

Postby JamesStanley » Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:38 pm

Ive seen that they have now agreed to increase the fees despite a number of votes against the increase from the liberal democrats and heavy protests all over the country. and they say its going to be better for students to pay almost £30K to go to uni.

I Hate the Coalition Government :evil:

I didnt approve of the students violence to agree with however i have started to understand why quite a few people have turned violent as only a few members of the govermnent seemed to listen to the students anyway
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Re: Tuition Fees

Postby chocolatefudgecake » Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:07 pm

I think with the violence, it started off as a smallish group of people constantly throwing things at the police, the police reacted and charged causing more people to become violent.

JamesStanley wrote:and they say its going to be better for students to pay almost £30K to go to uni.


Apparently now the plan is that if your family is 'poor' you get the 1st 2 years free. which is o.k for those who fall into the bracket that they decide - they'll end up with the debt they would have had if it hadn't been passed.
however for those who aren't poor enough to get that, but aren't rich enough to pay upfront, they'll be much worse off.
of course, the rich'll be fine, suprise, suprise.

they also recon we'll be better off because we'll be paying less back per month. what they fail to realise is that it'll make it harder to get a house etc when we're older.

I cant believe a difference of 21 people is enough to get it through.
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Re: Tuition Fees

Postby Alice » Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:30 pm

[quote="chocolatefudgecake"they also recon we'll be better off because we'll be paying less back per month.[/quote]

More money, and smaller instalments...
Doesn't that mean people are going to be in debt for a huge chunk of their lives?
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Re: Tuition Fees

Postby JamesStanley » Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:42 am

Yeah i think they write it off after about 30 years

I saw they are now protesting to try and stop EMA being cut
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Re: Tuition Fees

Postby bpcooper » Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:39 pm

Think about this though guys, as the government is making huge cuts to the education system as a whole the uni's need to get the money from somewhere and the only way which they can is by tuition fee rises.

Also I'm a bit confused by what you guys are saying about that you "won't be able to afford it".
The tuition fee's are given to you as a loan which you only need to pay back after you are earning 22k (and it gets taken out of your account so you wouldn't even realise it)
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Re: Tuition Fees

Postby bpcooper » Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:40 pm

Also remember that the 9k amount will only be for Uni's like Cambridge and Oxford
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Re: Tuition Fees

Postby Remus » Tue Dec 14, 2010 4:33 pm

bpcooper wrote:Also I'm a bit confused by what you guys are saying about that you "won't be able to afford it".
The tuition fee's are given to you as a loan which you only need to pay back after you are earning 22k (and it gets taken out of your account so you wouldn't even realise it)


It may be a loan but at the end of the day, it is still a massive amount of debt to be under. For me, if it means not getting a degree, then fine because I would not place myself under all that debt and stress, it's not healthy. Plus I may have other things I need to pay for such as bills, food, family etc.

I hate this government! :evil: It's like all they care about is the rich.
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Re: Tuition Fees

Postby bpcooper » Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:34 pm

Remus wrote:
bpcooper wrote:Also I'm a bit confused by what you guys are saying about that you "won't be able to afford it".
The tuition fee's are given to you as a loan which you only need to pay back after you are earning 22k (and it gets taken out of your account so you wouldn't even realise it)


It may be a loan but at the end of the day, it is still a massive amount of debt to be under. For me, if it means not getting a degree, then fine because I would not place myself under all that debt and stress, it's not healthy. Plus I may have other things I need to pay for such as bills, food, family etc.

I hate this government! :evil: It's like all they care about is the rich.


As such tuition fee's should be scraped but the increase affects nothing really as you'll still be paying back the same amount until you have paid it off if not less.

The old rate was 5% of the money which was over 15k so if you earned 20k it'd be 5% of 5k

so let's work this out:
30k job - 5% of 15k in old way, 9% of 8k in new way
£750 for old way, £720 new

100k job - 5% of 85k, 9% of 78k in new way
£4250 old way, £7020 new

Which just show's that if anything the ones that get really high jobs will pay it off alot quicker as well as those who are rich.
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Re: Tuition Fees

Postby Alice » Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:13 pm

Remus wrote:I hate this government! :evil: It's like all they care about is the rich.


That's a little unfair. My family probably count as rich by most peoples standards, I don't think it's fair that they threatened to increace my Dad's taxes despite the fact that with the percentage of the polpulation that had to pay it it would make no difference to the budget (and anyone who's loaded can usually weasle out of it anyway), I know that was the last government, but it was just mean spireted.

I think the issue here is we're not talking about people who've worked hard for their money like my parents, we're talking about people like me who happen to have been born into well off families. I didn't do anything to deserve a better education than my peers, but if I had been a little younger I would be able to get a better one than some people who are smarter but poorer.

People who are from less well off backgrounds tend to be more frightened by debt, apparently, so even as a lone such a huge price is going to cut off many people's chances.
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