Gordon Brown to be Prime Minister.

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Postby eastlondonluke » Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:16 pm

Nahhhhhhh ya would't call him dat yould cauld call him a compleat wayst man if he dosent do a good job of it.
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Postby Alice » Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:47 pm

Katielauren2001 wrote:I am happy about Gordon Brown being the new prime minister as he is much better than Tony Blair ever was. However, the split between scotland and the rest of the UK wont happen now.

I demand indapendancy from scotland! lol :D
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Postby intowiz » Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:34 pm

nooooooooo the empire may soon grow smaller
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Postby Katielauren2001 » Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:41 am

Alice wrote:
Katielauren2001 wrote:I am happy about Gordon Brown being the new prime minister as he is much better than Tony Blair ever was. However, the split between scotland and the rest of the UK wont happen now.

I demand indapendancy from scotland! lol :D
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Postby mattie » Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:20 pm

I can't say that I am too happy that Gordon Brown is prime minister. For the past x number of years I have been masquerading as a Socialist, or 'leftie', as they are often called. However, I think the last 60 years have demonstrated that socialism is merely a form of political idealism, where its many adherents are under the delusional belief that everyone can be equal.

Whilst the ideals of equality and the eradication of all forms of poverty - both relative and absolute - may seem noble aspirations, they are simply unachievable. As the last 50 years have shown, distributing wealth in the form of a welfare system only causes further divisions in society and encourages people to behave irresponsibly. Is it fair, for instance, that a parent from a broken home should be paid more than married couples? Surely by so doing, marriage is discouraged and alternative (i.e. less stable) relationships are incentivised. This can not be good for the wellbeing of society as a whole.

Further to the last point, I don't feel that this current Labour government have encouraged people to act responsibly. During Bliar's years, lawlessness has become far more common and Christianity is now ridiculed by lawmakers. Whilst I accept that everyone should be free to follow their own religious beliefs, Christianity used to form a common ground. It encouraged 'family values' and a sense of togetherness. Unfortunately, this seems to have been replaced by a thirst for money, possessions and a 'me me' culture which now seems almost irreversible. Hence, even if we are going to continue down the path of secularisation, surely we are still in need of a moral framework which all members of society are expected to adhere to?

As for the economy, the Labour government is fortunate in that we are living in a time of rapid economic growth. Many economies around the world are experiencing similar (or higher) rates of growth. Therefore, can the UK's recent economic performance really be attributed to Gordon Brown's and Tony Blair's fiscal and monetary policies or was it, as I suspect, merely due to favourable trading conditions?

Then of course there is the rather small issue of Iraq. There are few people who now dispute that the Iraq war was both illegal and morally unjustifiable. Fuirthermore, who genuinely believes that the Iraq war has made Britain a safer place than before? Not many, I suspect.

Terrorism has also become a much talked about problem in recent years. What with the government failing to deport known and proven hate-preachers in the last 10 years, surely it is partly responsible and culpable for what has followed? Afterall, if it dealt with known extremist groups sonner and controlled our borders more sensibly, I strongly suspect that a lot of this could have been avoided.

So, summing up what I think of Gordon Brown so far, I'd say:

1) He is anti-family. He encourages people not to get married and gives higher benefit payments to single parents. Is this fair? Surely this is partly responsible for the poverty cycle and its associated problems. Besides, there is no such thing as poverty in the UK. My parents only earn £18,000 a year between them (with shift work!) and do I feel hard done by? That has to be shared amongst 5 of us and also has to pay off our rather hefty mortgage payments!
2) Terrorism and crime have both got significantly worse under Labour. People no longer get punished adequately by our penal system, exacerbating the problem further.
3) Political correctness has gotten out of control!
4) The benefit system sucks big time!
5) Gordon Brown and his cronies seem to be doing their best to eradicate Christianity from British life.

All in all, it's a pretty grim situation, to be honest. :?


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Postby Henri » Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:16 am

Gordon Brown may have been accused of secretive measures during his tenure as chancellor, but his promotion to Prime Minister is widely accepted as a positive move. Where Blair was obsessed with conveying a perfect image, his policies did not carry weight. Gordon however, is less about image, and more about direct action and proactivity; he has already implemented monumental policies during his short time as PM, such as the prevention of the "Super Casinos" proposed by Blair, and stripping the Prime Ministers' ability to declare war.
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Postby eastlondonluke » Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:45 pm

Hes a wayst man he dosent seem to do any thing at all
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Postby Henri » Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:56 pm

eastlondonluke wrote:Hes a wayst man he dosent seem to do any thing at all



If you kept yourself informed on current affairs, or even read my post above, you would not have expressed dismay at the "inactivity" of Mr. Brown.

Please try not to display such ignorance in future.
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Postby intowiz » Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:50 pm

lmao. Even though im not a fan of Gordon Brown i must say a good reply.
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Postby mattie » Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:54 pm

Although I am by no means a big fan of Gordon Brown, he is a big improvement on Tony Blair IMO.


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Postby madame_tigre » Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:09 pm

I have no problem with Gordon Brown and respect him for being able to just get on with it, something which often went amiss with Tony Blair.
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Postby Henri » Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:10 pm

Katielauren2001 wrote:I am happy about Gordon Brown being the new prime minister as he is much better than Tony Blair ever was. However, the split between scotland and the rest of the UK wont happen now.



It already has 8) ; the SNP are now in total control of the Scottish mainland, devolution has begun!
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Postby Goldenhamster » Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:25 pm

I don't know very much about Gordon Brown so I am reserving judgement on him for the moment, but I am glad a Prime Minister can no longer declare war. That was a dangerous and irresponsible state of affairs which helped to cause the Iraq war. I am glad things are now different.
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Postby Dan » Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:06 pm

eastlondonluke wrote:Hes a wayst man he dosent seem to do any thing at all


Haha, what? You got a laugh outta me.

Also, Prime Ministers can't do nothing, I have no idea what you're talking about.
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